![]() The waterway is shared with Russia and it's a strategically important one, with access to ports in eight countries including Germany. The first issue: Sweden and the Baltic Sea. Reuters has been granted rare access to Sweden's sub fleet - which experts say could be a game changer for NATO.Īnd with neighboring Finland having joined in April, we'll take a look at how the expanded alliance may reshape Europe's security map. This is one of the key reasons why: the country's world-leading submarine fleet, which has some traits that both Russia and the U.S. Not suggesting a simulator but there needs to be some balance between arcade fantasy and pure simulation.STORY: If Sweden joins NATO, it's going to help the military alliance address its vulnerabilities in northern Europe. While you’re at it why not give every ship an orbital super laser ability that unlocks with 4 kills? Or a shield powerup every time they take a cap if we’re just going to dispense with the source material and make this thing a cartoon shooter. ![]() Ridiculous hybrid battleships that proved utterly useless in actual war? Lets do it. 30kn subs armed with sidewinder torps? Why not? Destroyers with literal cloaking devices? Sure. In other words, at least the other ship types are combat vessels that did engage in short range brawls, not ambush ships that never did anything like that.īut if “muh arcade game” is the “justification” we’re using to defend it then anyone can use that to “justify” anything they want in the game and this whole fracas you are carrying on about becomes utterly pointless. The point being they did not sail into the middle of gun duels shitting out walls of guided torps, that is pure fiction well beyond the stretches the other ship types enjoy. Subs were fairly successful at commerce raiding and occasionally getting lucky and picking off a stray ship here or there. I’m pointing out historical exaggeration is being used to justify crappy game mechanics. A whopping two come to mind lost to subs, one USA, one Japanese. Secondly, the context is FLEET carriers, not talking about the ponderous little escort carriers that arn’t even in the game. Just make them spawn randomly within the 2 centermost columns or rows of the map and have them fight from there, as if a magical naval battle like one we see in WOWS ever materialized, there’d likely be a screen of 3-5 subs sent ahead several miles that would have made it to the battlefield 2370 First of all, I’m not impressed with your knowledge of history when you don’t cite a single source, nor am I interested in measuring dicks with you. While yes the primary role many subs had as part of larger operations, was scouting… it’s not like they were under orders to “never attack anything”, and that’s how a lot of ships got sunk or damaged. The most common approach on all sides was with the transport “crossing the T” of the sub giving the greatest profile, not with the transport steaming towards the sub.įinally, specifically on the claim that subs were never used offensively. Couldn’t run around at flank speed, but certainly could stick under for more than 4 minutes (or accounting for WoWS Speed, ~16 minutes), and they certainly didn’t lose air for merely being detected.Īlso with regards to transport ships. Also subs could stay underwater (even those without snorkels) for literally a day. Literally no ship was used in history, like they are ingame. But the point is moot in an *arcade* battle game where every surface vessel has laser accurate guns (relative to RL), and travels at 200km/hr, there’s no such thing as a battle line, and goofy LOLpen mechanics everywhere. Yes, subs were typically employed in ambush tactics, yes they rarely acted directly as part of a fleet engagement in the “battle line” so to speak, and they were relatively slow. And that’s not to mention the numerous opportunities that US subs had early on to sink a lot more, but had torpedo problems in 42 and 43. Not to mention other carriers, battleships, cruisers, and even destroyers… that were hit and survived, or hit and sunk, by subs. When you yourself haven’t studied history enough to know that more than a dozen carriers were sunk by subs. It’s funny how you tell me that I must have the wrong idea about subs “because videya game”.
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